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| New Dating Guide Fellow Rogers fans, I just spent a couple of hours making some changes to the old Rogers dating guide. Basically what I did was go through every post by Bruce F, Dan C, Rogersholic, etc, where dating questions are answered, and then adapted the answers to the old dating guide. I tried to fill in or extrapolate where I could. I took out the crossed out numbers (they confuse me), and changed most of the years to a date range. Note: this is NOT meant to be some sort of definitive guide, only a vague reference at best. I do not presume to be an expert, which is why I didn't add anything to the revision notes in the header. I figure if we come to a version we're all happy with, we can call it a new revision. I mainly made this for myself, since I receive so many Rogers dating questions through my site, but thought someone here may benefit. If there is a change to be made, then by all means make it, just please post the new version so I can use it! Download it here: http://www.classicvintagedrums.com/rogers~3_mlvbs_08.doc | ||
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| Re: New Dating Guide MLVBS, now that was a thoughtful thing to do, for sure. Thanks for this. | ||
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| Re: New Dating Guide Thanks mlvbs. This is very helpful. I will be seeing LongRoll's sister in Nov. and hope to find out if Bruces wife, Cathy, is ready to dig into some of his records and get the dating info. I will keep you all posted. Jack --- 'You are never too old to set another goal or to dream a new dream' Les Brown | ||
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| Re: New Dating Guide Glad a new list is in the works. The OH Covington drum making/selling started in 1953 and did have an internal paper tag with serial numbers. I've gathered the earliest paper tags I could find on this site under 'paper tags' section. Early Luxor, Scotti, Broadway tags are there... http://vintagesnaredrums.com/rogers_history_1938-1954_start.html From the first mailers found in 1953 they were boasting, in print, about all the features of the Rogers drums with 'serial number inside.' Might of been Grossmans idea to keep track of sales. Who knows? The Ludwig serial numbers came about when production started to rocket from the Ringo spark 1960s. Is there a way to fix the header to not read 'Dyansonic'?! I know I posted the eagle badge and 2 odd script serial numbers for the purple drums on the rof. I hope it was used to compare notes with the existing data. Rogers data progress. Good stuff! Peace, Gary Last edited by gary n, 10/28/2008, 9:05 am | ||
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| Re: New Dating Guide Gary awsome work! Excellent reference material. Some topics of intrest on drums 56/57-63/64. 1. Dating of change tags from Jos Rogers Inc to ROGERS 2. Dating change over to ridged B&B lugs. 3. Dating change on the gromet in the badge from chrome to copper. 4. Square nuts done away with to hex on assembly. 5. Dating logos, Eagle, odd script, odd script 2, to script. 6. Plastic heads issued. 7. Dating colors availible. 8. Introduction and dating of floor toms, bass drums {14 and 16 and 18}, bongos and deep shells ect. 10. Models 11. Wide rerings and black paint. 12. Bearing edges. 13. Hardware and accessories. Tho I may have my own opinions and estimates. Dating should corrispond with construction, more so than serial numbers or combination of the two? These 'datings' should only be estimates and based on what we know we can date positively. Too bad we dont have a software program where everyone could enter in the construction, serial number ect. and others could refer to it, after entering in their infro and was avail online, so all could use it to record infromation, as well for drums selling elsewhere. It would have pics for reference ect. I think as a group it would be easier. Expand on Garys idea. I think its awsome what hes done. Just food for thought. . | ||
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| Re: New Dating Guide Gary: Stunning effort in every way. You have set the standard. You are without doubt the most knowledgeable Rogers historian alive. Your efforts on behalf of the legendary company, as well as your generosity in sharing your knowledge with the legion of fans is incalculable. | ||
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| Re: New Dating Guide Rogersoholic, Thanks very much for the kind words. Glad you dig the gathered info on the early years. I have been working on a signifigant dates(years found in print) list for the History of Rogers Drum Co. it has the colors offered in print and models offered as a ref guide. I will try to finish it, and post it, by the weekend. Specific dates are tricky with this stuff because you can safely bet to pull back or push forward a year with dates. Mardi Gras, the color, is a prime example. First seen in the swatch page in 1958. Someone once mentioned that it can be found offered in the text of 1957 but not in the swatch. That would explain the pull back of Mardi from 1958...back to 1957 as we've seen Mardi examples with the 57 flat top lugs and eagle badges. Also the close for Mardi Gras. Last seen in the 62 catalog swatch page. Beavertail Mardi examples have shown up that are from around 63/64. That is why most dates on that web page are 52/53 or 53/54. Tommy, Thank you very much as well. You have got to cap off the history with your knowledge of the later, after OH era. I know nothing about that side. I appreciate your efforts as well to track down the specifics and fill in the missing blanks. Dig on! Peace, Gary Last edited by gary n, 10/29/2008, 4:03 pm | ||
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| Re: New Dating Guide No need to rush a good thing Gary. These are just things that have helped me when dating these drums. I too have little knowledge those after Ohio and the ones your doing as well Gary. Agreed Tomk has done his share of homework too. Nice to have so many loyal knowledgible Rogers fans in one place eh? --- ....... I BUY ROGERS DRUMS! PM ME!...... | ||
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| Re: New Dating Guide When the book is written by Gary, he may kindly include a long chapter of dedications and thanks to the many active perfectionists on this site. That said, however, my vote is that Gary is the chief archaeologist and preservation architect of the good Rogers name. Keep on it Gary! We love reading your little gems as they make themselves appear. | ||
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| Re: New Dating Guide Sorting out the Fullerton 9/72's: According to Roob Cook (w/ assistance from Dan Colluccio and Bobby Chiasson) they went as follows: All tags are marked '60-5322 9/72' in the lower left corner. 1972 No prefix letter, number underlined 1973 Prefix Letter 'A' followed by numbers 1974 Prefix Letter 'B' followed by numbers 1975 No prefix letter, number not underlined. Ref. The Rogers Book Second Ed. pp. 129 Hope this helps. Alan --- And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music ~ F. Nietzsche | ||
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